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NomadX live interview with Sebastien Roger De Nuñez

🔥 NomadX live interview with Sebastien Roger De Nuñez, the Co-founder of the Thought Leadership Academy🔥

👉🏼 Sebastien has an obsession with turning experts into visionary leaders. He’s helped dozens of coaches and consultants to speak to bigger audiences, taking on bolder projects, multiply their income, and fully embody their vision.

✅ He’s the co-founder of the Thought Leadership Academy, speaks 12 languages, and 4-time TEDx speaker. His first TEDx has reached over 285,000 views. He is also the host of the Nuggets of Wisdom Podcast.

✅ His clients have included international companies (REMAX), founders of fastest-growing Inc. 5000 companies and Forbes-featured thought leaders. He’s been invited to many international entrepreneur conferences (DNX, Nomad Cruise), and coached dozens of speakers for their major talks and was twice the official TEDx Speaker Coach.

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Interview Transcription

Dave: 

Hello Nomadx community. We are going live again today. We have an awesome guest with us, Sebastien Roger de Nunez, he’s the co-founder at Thought Leader Academy, with his life partner Daria. They’ve got a really, really amazing business. they’ve been hanging out here in Portugal for a while. He’ll be joining us for a second. But just real quick, just a little bit about Sebastien. He helps coaches and helps them increase their rates quite a bit. He’s saying he’s even had coaches charge as much as $1,000 an hour, increasing that from 15 an hour. That’s super impressive. He’s spoken at TEDX like four times. About 285,000 views of one of his TEDX videos. He’s spoken and trained agents at Remax. He’s spoken at the DNX, which is where I think I met him the first time. He runs a podcast called Nuggets of Wisdom. He’s a transformational speaker, five star clients who are all paid premium prices, and typically make over about 10,000 Euros per month. He really has a great understanding for this. I will be bringing him in here in one second. Hold with us … Added really quickly. But yeah, he’s really an expert at helping people design their coaching programs to maximize revenue, and also to maximize their vision for who they want to be, their authority as a speaker. Just really, really cool. He’s been doing some mentorship at Beta E, which is a big accelerator here, in Portugal. So we’ll learn a little bit about that. If you all are joining us, please give us a thumbs up. Also feel free to put some comments. We will be going back through and answering some of the comments throughout the live, and just waiting here for Sebastien. I’m pressed to bring him on camera, and just, okay, here we go. He should join us in a second. Yeah. Let’s see here, says it’s connected. But yeah, I think it’s really cool. Sebastien and his partner, Daria, they’ve been traveling the world as nomads, and as a couple, and running a business together. Hey, hey Sebastien, what’s up, man? 

Sebastien: 

Good. It’s working, I see you. You’re here. We’ve live, let’s do this. 

Dave: 

Okay, cool, man. You look great, great to see you. 

Sebastien: 

Thank you, you look great, too. 

Dave: 

That’s what I heard, I heard you picked up surfing while you’ve been here in Portugal. 

Sebastien: 

Yes, yes. 

Dave: 

I saw one of your photos on Facebook, then when I reached out to you, you’re really enjoying it, is what I hear. 

Sebastien:

You know, I heard you mention that in the intro, but it’s all about lifestyle design and learning to appreciate what there is. It’s a quarantine, I cannot go out and meet friends, go to cafes. But there is a beach just down the road, and say, “Well if that’s not the perfect opportunity to learn how to surf, then what is?” Yeah. I bought myself all the gear, I’m so excited to just give it a go. That’s amazing. 

Dave: 

Yeah. That’s what you’ve got to do, man. That’s what I’ve realized. It’s like, if you go out there once a week it’s not enough. One of my buddies said you’ve got to surf every day or he said surf 100 times in a year, that’s how you become a good surfer. It takes dedication, like anything. 

Sebastien: 

Yes. 

Dave: 

Anyway, awesome, man. Really excited to have you here. I think you’re an amazing person. You and Daria, obviously, have a really, really interesting business with your Thought Leader Academy. And yeah, you’ve got an amazing track record. I can’t believe you speak like 12 languages, because I struggle with just one, my mind is just completely blown. But why don’t you tell us a bit about your background and your business? I think everyone here would like to hear more about what you guys are up to. It’s like you’ve really found the nomad pathway and you’re doing some amazing things. So yeah, tell us all about it. 

Sebastien: 

I have to be honest, I don’t know if I found it, or just I had no other choice. When I see all the nomads, every time I go to events, I feel like it’s not that we are choosing this lifestyle. It feels more like, “We’ve got to go, there’s a new adventure calling us.” If you want to go up with the background, I studied engineering, but I instantly knew, the moment I put my foot into school, that was not a thing for me. I just graduated because I felt like I wanted to complete it. But that wasn’t my calling. As soon as I could, I actually used it to travel and do internships, and that’s how I started learning languages. I used that as an opportunity, yeah, to explore and go on more adventures. Then, from there, there was all the languages, and the traveling, and the desire for connection. I think that’s really something that bonds all the nomads, is this desire we have for connecting. And also, not only with people from one culture, but people from many cultures, and open our minds to what’s possible. Not just leave in the path that has been drawn for us by our former generations. So I’ve been traveling and exploring things. Until, I felt, and this is something I always say when I meet nomads. Is that we believe, initially, that we want freedom. But at some point you realize that what you want is to feel whole. You want to start moving away from exploring all the options until you find one that you’re like, “I like this one. What if I pursue this one for longer duration?” And Daria’s here in the room, my partner, that’s in love, as in business, as in traveling, you want to find places where you really feel home. 

Dave: 

That’s great. How long has your journey been? When did you guys get started on your nomadic journey?

Sebastien:

I think, I was nomadic before there was a word for it. I was doing internships, I did my first internship in Argentina. I did my second internship in Germany. Then I went to Romania. That was, like, in 2006, ’07, ’08, ’09. So I was already traveling a lot. I don’t think this was a thing, digital nomad at the time. I was just going where I felt called to go. So that’s more like 14, 15 years. 

Dave: 

Awesome, man. That’s before the smartphone. So yeah, things have changed quite a bit since then. 

Sebastien: 

Yes. I remember traveling without a smartphone, and I’d be thinking, how did I do that? I didn’t have the map with me, and I was hitchhiking most of the time, and couch surfing. I didn’t have a way to go somewhere, I didn’t have a place to go to when I arrived, and relied on cyber cafes. Something that I think we all forgot. But that was a thing that existed in the past. 

Dave: 

Yeah that’s right. That was the hot thing, I guess about 20 years ago, depending on where you are in the world. Let’s see here, so yeah, just tell us a bit about this Thought Leader Academy, because I think you’re doing some really interesting work with Daria. We’re going to get into a bit of your travels, as we get into the interview here. But I thought maybe, let’s just start with the Thought Leader Academy. Tell us what it is you guys do, what kind of clients you work with, give us the rundown. 

Sebastien: 

I think I want to go with the foundation of what it stands for. So the idea goes from this calling that when you feel like there’s more, there could be more, I could stay on this current trajectory, but it’s too predictable, it’s too safe. It starts to feel like, yeah, I will survive there, but I’m not going freaking live. I’m not going to explore new things, to be in experimentation and yeah, doing things that are a bit crazy. So the intention behind it is to help people, and we mostly work with people that are already established, that have revenue that is already established, and again, feel like, I could do this for 10 years or 20 years, and it would work, but I would die inside. What would be the most exciting vision that I could have for myself? What could I really … If I don’t think, would that work or not? But I’m just thinking, what would be fun? And I really focus on the fun components, personally, I’m really into if you’re not having fun, do something else. You have one life. That’s the way I take it. You have one life, you want to create something for yourself that is extremely fun, every day. I’m not saying that there are no bad days. But you want to commit to create a life where you have as many exciting days as possible. So that’s like on the calling, the spiritual ground. But how it works is saying that everybody has an expertise. Now, whether or not you acknowledge it is the question. Because so many people are good at something, they don’t even realize they’re good at it. Or they could be very good, but they don’t pursue it fully. They don’t own their talent. Because a lot of people, actually, are not so proud of all their talent. We take people from a to the. So from being a copywriter, to being the copywriter. From being a life coach, to becoming the life coach. It’s more a stance than anything else. It is like, what I say, what I see, what I feel is important, it’s unique. So we help people step into that leadership position. That’s why it’s called Thought Leadership Academy. Really say, “No, what I have is important, and I know that I should share it, because other people need to hear it.” So we help people owning the message, package it in a way that impacts more people by find the right offers, the right platforms, the right leverages so that they can sell it at the right pricing to the right people. As I said, all this making sure that they create the best lifestyle for themselves possible. Because you don’t want to quit your job to become a slave of your company. I’ve seen that so many times, when people start their own business and really are in a worse, way worse position than when they were an employee, because they worked not 9:00 to 5:00, they worked from waking up until they fall asleep, and seven days a week. And with all the pressure, because if it doesn’t work out, it’s not like it’s somebody else’s problem, it’s their problem. So you want to make sure that you don’t create that for yourself. It’s not only financially, it’s really a mindset. There’s strategy, but there’s clearly a mindset of saying, “No, no, no, I have to create the best conditions, and I choose, I am the boss.” 

Dave: 

Totally. Well I’m an entrepreneur, and I’ve been an entrepreneur for 20 plus years. This younger generation, I guess they say if it’s not a hell yes then don’t do it, right? I’ve been hearing a lot of that. But just for me it’s almost like, yeah, I’ve got to feel the energy and the passion. I’ve got to really love the industry. Obviously when you’re working, there’s going to be days that aren’t so great, especially when you’re an entrepreneur, it’s just the nature of the pathway. But if you have that passion, if you have that excitement, if you can make work fun, that carries over into your relationship with your teammates, your relationship with vendors, just the way you’re perceived in the industry. So yeah, I totally agree with you. Sometimes I’ve found, sometimes the things that are the easiest for me, you might not think that’s something you have a competency in, just because it’s so easy to you. But it’s really, that’s your genius. 

Sebastien: 

It’s exactly it. That’s why so many people undervalue their talent. Because they don’t see it as a talent. They see it as something natural. I’ve done that a lot, and I still do this with my clients, really helping people identify their superpowers. One of the few, I have a couple of questions that help people find out. What is it that you do that other people complain about? Because then, it starts to feel like, “For other people, what I do is not normal. But for me, it’s normal.” Or, more interestingly, what is it that you think that other people don’t do that should do. It can be like, waking up early, or being organized, or whatever. Then you’re like, “Because for me, this is normal, this is my nature.” I have a client, I remember, he was saying, “Yeah, but the only thing I found out is I’m really organized. That’s not a superpower.” I was looking at him, and said, “Shit, I would love to be super organized.” He said, “Yeah, every day I finish my work at 5:00, it’s done, it’s like, boom boom boom boom.” He was like, “But that’s not a superpower, that’s lame.” I said, “Are you kidding me? I wish I was like that. I wish I was super organized.” We sometimes don’t value these superpowers because we feel like it has to be something of an actual superhero to be very cool. No, being organized is an extremely good superpower. Or being someone good at Excel spreadsheet, or connector, or networker, good at systems, or human connections. There are so many ways of having a superpower. Just understanding what’s natural for you is not for somebody else. 

Dave: 

Yeah, I’ve found, my wife and I, we like doing a lot of long distance hiking. I was realizing, we’d be on these hikes and I’d be thinking about certain things along the way, and I’d always be wondering, what is she thinking about right now? So I would ask her, “What are you thinking about right now?” And she’s thinking about how to pack the bags, or how she needs to organize the clothes for the next day.” That’s like, I would think about that about five minutes before we’re about to leave. You know? And she loves doing that stuff. But I think it’s sort of an intuitive thing, and I’m thinking about business or strategy or whatever it might be. So yeah, it’s just sort of interesting to see what people, where’s their focus? What are the things that they orient themselves around, and they’ve got a lot of talent. I totally agree with you. Let’s see here. I know you’re also a transformational speaker. You’ve spoken at TEDX, I think four times. You’ve got a lot of views on one of the videos. I was trying to watch the video, but I think it’s in another language, so I wasn’t having so much success. But yeah, tell us a bit about that. That’s cool. I mean I’ve heard of people speaking at TEDX once, but four times, that’s kind of unheard of, I think. 

Sebastien: 

Yeah. I feel like speaking is an art form that I really love. It’s not like I appreciate it, I love it. I love how fully … It’s one of the most ancient arts. It’s the tribe, around the fire, and now you have the ancients sharing wisdom with the young kids so that they can learn without having to go on the adventure, killing the lion, or getting killed by the lion, just with the story. I feel like we have, as humans, these very unfair advantages over other species, because we can learn with language, with words. Now, it is also possible not to learn and just make noise. It’s so easy to get into noise. Speaking, especially TEDX is a very specific form, and you have a limited amount of time, you have 18 minutes to convey an idea. More than an idea, that’s something that for me, emerged after doing TEDX talks, because TEDX talks tend to be very inspiring, and as much as I believe in the power of inspiration, which is like, giving the ideas that something else is possible, now you create, I focus on transformation. Because the difference between, you have first information, or you have new data, but that you’ve never handled. You know, the books that you buy and are standing on your bookshelves, that’s information. Then you have inspiration, that one that makes you want to do something, but you don’t really do it. Then you have transformation, when you are a person before and a different person after. I became obsessed with that, because I truly believe that we don’t change, except for new actions, and it’s when you start taking new action that we know that you have to transform. Let’s talk about, for example, losing weight. Diets, you can take action. But if you see and perceive yourself as unhealthy and fat, and just unfit, there’s a chance that you will really, naturally come back to that identity. Now, something I actually coach in, pricing. I see this happening all the time, when my client starts to make way more money than they were used to. We just had a client that made 7,500 Euros in one week, and her best month before that was 2,000. 

Dave: 

Wow. 

Sebastien: 

Okay? You see, I think we asked them to send videos to celebrate every time you have a win. You know, you train yourself to dance, and to create the dopamine, and all these beautiful toxins, and we get addicted to that. Then on the last video she sent us, you see her kind of … She wants to celebrate. But she feels like this just starts to be too much for her. She starts feeling, “Can I handle that? Can I handle that much money? That many clients?” Do you have the space to serve them? That’s why transformation is more important than inspiration. Because now, even if she’s charging more, if she doesn’t transform into someone who can charge that much and have that month’s income, she will naturally, next month, go back to not selling anything. Just to feel like she’s in the safe zone of what’s known for her. I went a bit on a tangent on the question, you started with the purpose of transformation, what does it mean for me? Say, we create our identity with education, the parents, schools, the environment we grew up in, the culture we grew up in. France, it changed me so much, being French/Argentina. Then you have to choose what from that education you want to let go of, and to link it to nomadism, I think it gives us width. You travel, and you meet all these people with different perspectives, which allows you to transform faster, and to shift into a new identity. Does that make any sense? 

Dave: 

Yeah, totally. I was living the … Well, I’ve been an entrepreneur for a while. My first venture was in Atlanta, so it was very Atlanta-focused, we worked with a lot of clients all over the place. Then the next venture was kind of up in New York. But after that, that’s when I really started traveling as a nomad. I think it took me probably six months to really feel like I was going through some serious transformation. When I had the biggest transformation, it was actually when I had detached myself from Facebook, from social media. Because I felt like I’m not being lured back to this way I’ve been. It kind of freed me to go through a transformational experience. Or when I moved to new locations and started businesses, I felt like that was a big, transformational opportunity because it allowed me to really focus, orient a lot of my work and focus around the work, versus social distractions and other things. Yeah, I definitely think, and it definitely helps to have a coach, because I hired a coach about a year or so ago, just once a month. I even know for myself, it helped me a lot in terms of just prioritizing things and really trying to keep my alignment. Instead of talking to my wife about anything, she offloaded all the work to my coach. 

Sebastien: 

Delegation, delegation. 

Dave: 

She was getting sick of talking to me about this stuff, I think. She was like, “Whatever it takes just go for it.” But yeah, I found it very helpful. I’ve never really done that before. I’ve had mentors. But to actually hire a coach, I do think it’s super helpful, especially if you’re traveling a lot, if you’re a remote worker, yeah. For you guys, for anyone who’s joining us late here, we are with Sebastien Roger Nunez from the Thought Leadership Academy. Really excited to have you here. His partner, Daria, also works with him, they run a great community of thought leaders, they also coach thought leaders, they help people with transformational presentations and speakers. I think for you guys, too, it’s all about alignment. As you were mentioning, it’s about having fun, finding your genius zone. Really making sure, you want to have a lifestyle business, you don’t create a monster of a company with all sorts of employees. Or if you’re looking to grow really quickly and want to have an exit, then it might look a little bit different. But yeah, I think that’s super important, just trying to find that alignment, the personal alignment. Which, you’d think would be easy. But I think it is very challenging for people. 

Sebastien: 

It is. Not only, I don’t want to say hard. But it takes commitment. It’s not like people say, there’s this thing of finding your purpose, as if it’s something you find once, and you’re good forever. No. It’s something you dive in. It’s like you peel and you start understanding better and better and better. We have weekly meetings with Daria, where we reassess what we’re going for. But then also, very importantly, we have quarterly meetings. These are, we go way more in depth, we really identify what is it that you need to let go of? That’s the main question. That’s the question people are afraid to ask. What is it that needs to stop? The main thing we do with our clients is we help them let go of their clients. That’s the number one thing we do. Because as long as you keep this safety belt, in the same way, like when you’re at a job, and you don’t quit that job, you want to find a perfect job without quitting that job. Cool. That might work. But if you’re not in that void, you don’t have the mind space to create what you really want. Because you’re so focused in taking care of what there is, therefore you don’t have space to think about what could be. We need to take the time to let go of what doesn’t serve us anymore, and re-question what it is that we want to bring into our lives. Then, once a year, now we’re going all in into that. We take maybe a week, two weeks, and we really question everything to make sure we stay in alignment. Not only because we were wrong, but because also we grow, we evolve. We take our clients to expanded vision, so we help them see what they see for themselves in the future, is usually around 10 year vision. But there’s something I always tell them. I want you to be as bold as you can in your 10 year vision, and then as specific as you can in the very little details that matter to you. But there’s something very important you need to remember. 10 years from now, you don’t want that. Because you will want something different for you. Like the 10 year, older version of you will want something different. The 10 year younger version of me didn’t want the life I have right now, and I’m thrilled about this life today. So you have to say, this just gives you general direction, but you need to keep adjusting. You were talking about hiking, I use hiking metaphors all the time. Like you start the journey at the bottom of the mountain, you say, “Let’s go towards the summit.” But maybe on the way to the summit, you see a beautiful lake, and then you want to adjust your course to go have a swim in the lake. Because yeah, we can maybe go to the summit, or not. The lake was beautiful. You want to stay open, and constantly realign, re-question your trajectory. 

Dave: 

Yeah. I always equate it, when someone’s starting a company, it’s almost like going to college. It’s like your freshman year. That first year, you got all this, these inspirations. Maybe you want to be a lawyer or a doctor or who knows what? An engineer. Then at the end of your freshman year you’re like, “Hell no, I don’t want to do that.” It was way too difficult, I didn’t really like it. But I found this amazing course that I’m super passionate about. I think it’s important, like you said, yeah, to not every day be readjusting, because then it’s like you get caught up in this mode of always questioning what you’re doing. But I totally agree on a quarterly, and especially on an annual basis, going back and saying, “What is it that really worked well for me? Where did I make a lot of money? What was a pain in the ass? What didn’t I like?” Then just yeah, carve away the stuff you don’t like, focus on the things you really like. Ultimately, you just get more and more focused. But as you get more focused, then I find, too, you can charge more because you’re more of an expert in the area. You become a leader in the area, maybe you ever become a speaker at the conferences, maybe you join an industry association, or you write a book, or who knows what it is. But as you’re mentioning, you were talking earlier about this idea of building authority. I think as you become more and more expert, it creates a lot more opportunities to be really the authority. 

Sebastien:

I hear you 100%, and I feel like what makes people afraid to do this is this fear of having to let go of things they love. But as much as it might seem temporarily true, for example, I had to let go of my passion for languages when I stopped teaching languages, or improving theater. I have been performing and teaching improv theater in international festivals and touring. Music has been jamming and playing in bed and all this. At some moment … 

Dave: 

I saw you playing, what is it? The saxophone? Or the clarinet? 

Sebastien: 

Clarinet and saxophone. 

Dave: 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Sebastien: 

Yeah. I have to let those go … 

Dave: 

I love the saxophone, that’s a cool instrument. 

Sebastien: 

I have one there, standing. If at some moment, I have to let go of that, for me to be closer to my purpose. But eventually, it came back. Even engineering, when I let go of it, it came back in a way that surprised me. What I realized is, I used to clean code, I used to optimize codes for other coders to understand better what it does. This is what I do with talks. People come with a messy talk, and I help them clean their talk. The theater has taught me so much that I still use self expression, about being sharp and on point, because your improv theater, you have to be always sharp. Music, also connection, listening at the same time as you’re speaking. I now bring all of these things from my past that I thought I had abandoned, and I take actually what I love the most about it, which is not necessarily the music itself, into what I do right now. But for that, I had to let go to take the best ingredients. 

Dave: 

That’s smart, yeah. It’s almost like a fusion, you’re taking these pieces from your past with the present, and bringing in a way that creates a very unique positioning, right? 

Sebastien: 

That’s what everybody has. That’s why I say, and I truly believe, that everybody’s an expert that could stand out. Because we all have these mixes of unique experiences that once we understand how to combine that, we have this five star dish. It’s just about understanding, this is the bit I should take from that, from my experience in Mexico, and this internship I did in Germany, and this thing, and just poof. Now, you create your unique masterpiece. 

Dave: 

Yeah, totally. My background, when I was in college, I studied business and accounting. I was a CPA for a few years, which I absolutely hated. But it actually comes in very handy, and I went to grad school and really focused on marketing and the internet. This was a long time ago. But even bringing those two skill sets together, does help differentiate you from just an accountant or just a marketing person, or just a technologist. So yeah, really encourage everyone out there, really take a look at your skill sets, how can you create a fusion of your skill sets to create something that’s very unique, where you have a unique selling proposition, and something that you’re really in alignment with, where you feel a lot of passion, a lot of energy. Yeah, it’s been great talking to you, Sebastien. I wanted to ask you a bit about your travels, if that’s okay. Because I try to keep these for about 20, 30 minutes. I don’t have a timer, so I just kind of go with the flow here. But yeah, obviously this pandemic’s been happening. It’s slowed everyone down a bit. But what do you see coming up next for you in this next year and going forward? Are there any new things we can expect from you? Or what’s on the horizon? 

Sebastien: 

First and spontaneous answer, I wish I knew. I really view this pandemic as an opportunity to just slow us down drastically, and to establish a more solid trunk instead of being a leaf in the wind, being carried away with any breeze. Because in 2019, we didn’t have a home, and we were traveling on the two weeks, two days, three days, five days, one week, four weeks felt like that was home for the whole year of 2019. Going to events, conferences, the nomad cruise. All these things, we went all over the place. When the pandemic hit, at first obviously we didn’t take that as a blessing. But it eventually felt like, feels good actually, not to think that what’s the next nation, where is the next event? Where is the next conference? It felt good just to say, “What if we just stay in one place for a longer time?” What’s now in the radar is to find a place, again, to stabilize, maybe for one, two, three years. But having this solid base, radiates, moves, you go to your conference, and you come back. You will go to an event, you come back. You go to a gathering, you come back. You go to Madeira, and you come back. But having this base you could go back to feels extremely right at the moment. 

Dave: 

Awesome. Where have you been to that you really, really enjoy? Are there some hotspots that you’d like to share with the group here? 

Sebastien: 

Funny enough, you were talking this week about meeting the Greek government? We’re in love with Greece. We really love Greece. It doesn’t feel like a good place to live at the moment, for the reasons I shared also with you in that poll. I feel like the community is not there yet. We would have to start some, even not only the community, but the infrastructure to understand our specific needs, are not there yet. It would take a lot of effort from us to create it on our own. But Greece has Mediterranean culture, Mediterranean food. The music is so great. And I just want to say again, food. The culture, they’re easy going. We really love Greece. It’s a place we, for a while, we were going every summer. Because Daria has family connections in Greece, so we were going there every summer. Yeah, I would say Greece. It’s not a hotspot at all. It’s under the radar completely. But maybe thanks to your collaboration with the Greek government, it might become a hotspot in the upcoming years. I really hope so. 

Dave: 

Yeah, it’s interesting. I guess they have a resident visa that gives you a 50% discount on taxes, I think the deal is. It’s still around 20% a year. So yeah, I think the government, they’re very focused on getting faster wifi, setting up the infrastructure. Now, I think the next step is really just building community and picking out some hotspots to really try and build the community around. We’ll see what they do. I heard the Greeks aren’t very responsive, sometimes they’ve a little slow on this stuff. So I’m not expecting any miracles. But I think everyone’s super motivated at the moment. I know they want to track back a lot of their tech talent. Then also attract some new talent, which I think every country is trying to do at the moment. These nomads, there may not be so many of us, but there’s going to be a lot of us. And I think yeah, they’re going to be in high demand since everyone’s leaving Silicon Valley and everywhere else. 

Sebastien: 

Yeah. I think it will, I don’t know, that’s my take. But I think it will evolve from nomadic, which was a phenomenon I’ve been observing in the last 5, 10 years, where people travel quite fast, really fast. Sometimes like we just did in 2019, to a place where people come for six months, a year at a time, then move to a different place. Have a local community that is established in a place. Because the remote work now has been established. Now, in 2020, it’s a thing. It’s not something like an outsider kind of thing, it’s really mainstream now. When people can live wherever they want, I think people will still choose to live in communities of like-minded people. I think that will be what matters even more. 

Dave: 

Definitely. Yeah. Super important, I feel like. Because as a nomad, you arrive, and if you’re with the tourists, the tourists are only there for a few days or a week maybe. It’s hard to get to know them. Then the locals can be a little bit elusive, because they’re used to seeing so many tourists, that a lot of them are running away from the tourists. But I think once they realize you’re not a tourist, which sometimes takes a couple, few weeks, then you can start making local connections. That’s what my wife and I found, and maybe even attend a local birthday party. But it’s not easy, because you’ve got to kind of break down the barriers a bit, and figure out who’s a local and who’s not? 

Sebastien: 

It makes sense. They have already their local community, their social group established.

Dave: 

Yeah. And we love coming back to places, too. So it’s like, we visit Portugal, we love Portugal. We come back here, a lot of times, obviously we moved here, and you guys are spending time here. Or even places like Morocco and Spain, and as we’ve traveled the world, we tend to find places we like, or maybe we’ve met a bunch of people there and we can come back to them. It almost feels like a second home to us. That’s like, it makes it kind of fun. 

Sebastien: 

Yeah, I think I hope that the world will evolve more and more into basically where you can just go to a place, and you will instantly feel home all the time, because there’s the open-armed community wherever you go. I think that’s the dream. 

Dave: 

Well cool, man. Well I think we’ve had a really nice interview here, you’ve got an amazing background. For those of you that are kind of joining us late, we’re interviewing Sebastien Roger de Nunez, he is the co-founder of Thought Leader Academy. Check them out. I think, Thoughtleaderacademy.com, right? 

Sebastien: 

https://www.thoughtleadershipacademy.com/.

Dave: 

What’s that? 

Sebastien: 

https://www.thoughtleadershipacademy.com/.

Dave: 

Okay. https://www.thoughtleadershipacademy.com/. Get that right. With his business partner Daria. They’re spending a lot of time here in Portugal, they’re a really, really nice couple. Yeah. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Sebastien. He’s like a bright light. He’s got really nice energy. I can tell you probably do a lot of meditation, I can see it in your eyes, man. Really, you guys are going deep, which I really, really like. 

Sebastien: 

Thank you. 

Dave:

Yeah, before we wrap things up here, we just want to see, is there anything, any special offer or any sort of last word you’d like to leave for the community here before we log off? 

Sebastien: 

Yeah. People can check the things we have with Daria, they can go on my website, which is Seb R-D N.com, and directly find a webinar there where I explain how you can start charging over 1,000 euros an hour. Or join my Facebook group, Superherotribe.com. Yeah, it links you directly to the Facebook group, Superhero Tribe, where I share my content, my insight, and the latest thing I share with my clients, I just take that and share that back to the community, because I believe that the more people know about these things … If there’s one last thing I want to say to people, is if you feel like you could do more, you can. So then therefore, try. Give it a try. Live fully your vision, and do whatever you can to tap into that potential. Because if you don’t, we all miss out on what you could create. That’s what my last invitation was involving. 

Dave: 

Awesome, Sebastien. Well thank you so much, man. It was really nice to have you on the show here. I’ll be creating a recording of this to share it with you, and we’re going to do a little blog post, and some social posts. So I’ll make sure to distribute all of that to you, probably at the start of next week. But hopefully, I get a chance to see you while you’re here in Portugal. 

Sebastien: 

Yes. Let’s go catch some waves together. 

Dave: 

Yes. Let’s do it, man. 

Sebastien: 

That would be cool. 

Dave: 

I’m so ready. 

Sebastien: 

Yes. I don’t know when we can drive down, but I will be driving down as soon as we can. 

Dave: 

It won’t be pretty, but it’ll be fun. That’s the most important thing. 

Sebastien: 

You know what they tell, and I think that’s a good lesson for life in general. You know who’s the best surfer? The one having the most fun. I truly believe in that, in everything, whether it’s entrepreneurship, or any passion you pursue. If you’re having fun, you’re doing the right thing. That’s it. That’s it. 

Dave:

Exactly, man. My wife says, we hire a lot of people then some of the people come up and they’re like, “You know, I’ve got all these issues with my job and stuff.” My wife says, “That’s why they call it a J-O-B.” It’s not supposed to be fun. But actually, it can be fun and I really try and preach that as well. Well thank you so much, Sebastien. Great seeing you today.

Sebastien: 

My pleasure. 

Dave: 

You look great, and hoping to see you soon, out on the waves. 

Sebastien: 

Yes, yes, let’s do that. Let’s do that. Thank you so much for having me here, and thank you, the community, for tuning in. It’s been a pleasure. 

Dave: 

Yeah. Thank you, Sebastien. Take care. Have an awesome day, man. Cheers, dude. 

Sebastien: 

You, too. Bye. 

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